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Absence/ Drama - 9bjames - 05-18-2012
Hey, I'm going to be off the server for a bit this weekend. I'm going to be going back home for 2 days, before coming back up to plymouth. The whole univeristy term has ended for me, so I can go home whenever I want, but I decided to stay here since I get beastly internet connection, which helps for doing gaming videos (multiplayer especially, knowing how terrible my home connection is...).
Anyway, I'm going back now in particular, and only for 2 days because my grandparents are coming all the way down from Nottinghame to visit, and my parents obviously don't want me to miss them, with how little I see them. I also want to see them as well, although I am having to pull a few strings where doing videos is concerned (family over "fame" I guess, hehe).
Either way, it is probably for the best that I won't be online so much, knowing the drama I have caused lately.
Just to clear things up, I don't actually have any regrets: for those who don't know, what I did was to enter Adventure world, and raid some of the houses there a little. Why? Simply to experience what it's like. I personally have never played a proper survival server, with PVP and free-for-all rules, since the very first server I joined had those kinds of rules, which ended up with me constantly being teleported to and killed before I could even gather any items or build a home. The fact that AW is a PVP and raid-allowed world interested me, so I thought for one time, I would try it out.
MetalicPenguin4 is likely still angry that I in particular raided his building, and I can understand that. I enterred his building by mining blocks from the wall, looked around, broke a few things here and there, then mined below past trap doors to find some redstone. The rules of AW state that you can raid buildings of valuable materials, so I decided "what the heck, if I wasn't a superop, redstone would probably be pretty valuable to me, and this is a competetive world afterall". So I took some redstone wiring, before leaving and thinking it would also be a bit of a funny gesture to leave sponge to pad in the walls I had broken through. There may also have been a bit more sponge around, but that was about it. As far as I was concerned, harmless fun, which should have sent the message that AW is a place you should probably expect to have your builds damaged a bit. There were also other buildings I had raided: I'd broken through walls to enter, broken through more parts to look around, before leaving, and maybe taking a few melons/ other blocks here and there.
MetalicPenguin then found out about a week or so after it had happened, after I jokingly mentioned raiding his adventure world building (knowing myself that I already had done). He then decided to find one of my buildings, a building in my fort, and filled it with quite a lot of obsidian. Obviously, I wasn't happy with this: this was more griefy than what I had done (rather than actually enterring to take items) but I did expect it, and partly deserved it (was actually up for a bit of a challenge, but something more on the scale that I had done). I retaliated after I found the obsidian inside my building. What I did was probably wrong, but I was not happy with all the obsidian. What I will apologise to penguin for is clearing out his redstone a second time, and deciding to try and fill his house with as much obsidian, by using water and lava. I then quickly realised I shouldn't have, before trying to fix some of the things I had broken; removing the water and lava, and instead, taking his obsidian back to his building, simply placing it back on the inside as he had done to me (I suppose I am very much someone who believes in an eye for an eye in those sorts of situations). He obviously found out about it, before coming back to my building whilst I was in there, and I slew him before he had a chance to replace more obsidian.
As I said, I can understand why Penguin is unhappy with my actions, and to him, they were probably unbefitting of being an OP. What I will say however is this Adventure World is bound to have these kinds of things happening. I was actually surprised that nobody had yet raided much, but figured it was probably because of how little new players go there. In my eyes, in the first instance, although what I did could've been seen as a nuisence act/ griefing, I did still abide by the rules of Adventure World. On the second instance however, I do apologise. Even with retaliating by "returning" the obsidian which Penguin had placed inside one of my buildings, that was a childish act. Instead of reacting the way I did, I should have mentioned to Penguin that it was not right, as I felt, and still feel that we are both as much at fault with regards to the times with obsidian. He did not try and raid me first, but the only thing I attempted to do was to get the most out of Adventure World, just to see what the experience was like, whilst sticking to rules. Of course, I did expect resistance, but the way he did resist was a step too far in my eyes, to which I reacted in an equally innapropriate manner.
I wanted to get this said before I leave for home, since I won't get much of a chance to whilst I am there. Penguin said that he would take screenshots, and personally, I welcome that. Please do post them here if you want to Penguin.
I won't say any more on this, I won't argue or attempt to cause more drama, for the drama I already have caused. If I find that Penguin has done more to my Adventure World fort, I won't even split a hair over it: if it is bad, I will either ask Clown to restore, or rebuild it by hand, knowing that I still plan to have it zoned so it can be used as a new portal for adventure world.
Personally, I am done with this, and have no more plans to retaliate. Even after the first time I tried my hand at raiding, I had decided I wasn't particularly interested in trying again.
If you feel I have said anything wrong, or missed anything out (in particular Penguin), feel free to reply to this.
In the meantime, cya more on Monday.
RE: Absence/ Drama - MetalicPenguin4 - 05-18-2012
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Okay, I was fine with the broken blocks and such, but the rs was way too far...I did put a ton of obby in his supply room or whatever it was, so he would quit messing up my house...The first grief (I didn't take any photos) messed up a lot of my redstone for my secret entrances and such. That made me mad because the rs part took me 20-25 minutes to fix. The rest of the the blocks only took about 10 minutes to fix. Can you see why i'm mad about the rs? That's 20+ wasted minutes of my life...I was fine with james breaking a few blocks, but why did he have to grief the rs that took a long time to make and perfect? That was just WAY too far for a "raid." I showed this second grief to aeon, he also agreed it was more of a grief.
RE: Absence/ Drama - 20Hours - 05-18-2012
Just goes to show that redstone sucks :3.
RE: Absence/ Drama - Aeonex - 05-19-2012
@James I fully understand and respect your decision to take a short break (even though you sort of have to). I hope you come back. Clearing your head of troubles is always a good approach to solving concerns. If your fort is griefed further, feel free to ask me for help if I am not busy. Just an F.Y.I. It is wrong to grief (beyond breaking and entering). Taking down redstone is not bad, as redstone is a valuable commodity. It is wrong to place obsidian blocks in a build that isn't yours. Perhaps you could forgive Penguin for his transgressions on your fort previously?
@penguin I wholly understand your anger, I was also once griefed terribly by Poppy in PVP world (Which is grief allowed). She grouped up with two others and removed all the cobblestone from my entire 80 wide, 60 tall PVP fort. This took a long while to fix. James is technically allowed to take your redstone from you, as it is a precious commodity and therefore, theft, not griefing is allowed. As for the obsidian, it was wrong of him to do that to you. I'm sorry if James has caused you frustration. I would be more than willing to also help you repair your entire structure, if you'd like. Just let me know in PM's where it's located and I will fix it all with/for you.
Can both of you forgive each other? I know you're both mature and respectful to players. You are both very valuable to the OP community.
Warning to all: "Raiding", "Breaking and entering", and "stealing" or "theft" IS allowed in Adventure World. If you have a diamond block castle, everyone can steal ALL your diamond blocks and you won't have a castle anymore. THIS is considered stealing because the blocks are valuable and hard to come by. Stone, Stone Bricks, Nether Brick, these are NOT valuable items because they are in abundance. Glowstone is also in abundance, and is also not valuable. Please be sure to ask someone else what is and isn't valuable before deciding to take it. You are NOT allowed to grief (add unwanted blocks to a build, take away blocks from a build, or otherwise harass others disrespectfully)
RE: Absence/ Drama - Eaglefighter - 05-19-2012
yeah redstone is a valuable resource, i can understand penguin is mad about it since its more valuable for him than for james but since its adventure world james was allowed to take it. Then because penguin was mad he actaully griefed james house and then james did that back.
So id say you are even now? I hope you can forgive eachother and just move on.
RE: Absence/ Drama - MetalicPenguin4 - 05-19-2012
I did not "grief" his house...i just replaced the ladders with obby.
RE: Absence/ Drama - jacob81897 - 05-20-2012
RE: Absence/ Drama - MetalicPenguin4 - 05-20-2012
What the fudge? I don't remember anything like that...
RE: Absence/ Drama - jacob81897 - 05-20-2012
RE: Absence/ Drama - 9bjames - 05-21-2012
I'm back now, and I have no problems with laying this issue to rest.
I'm sorry for any sore feelings peng, and as I said, I don't have any intentions on raiding again.
As I also mentioned, I did agree that the second time was over the top. I did undo what I could, however it was too late to undo what I did to the redstone, again. I would have actually put it back, if I had remembered how it went, but just saying that doesn't make up for it. But as for the obsidian, although it was more of a grief, it was still retaliation to what you had done to begin with Penguin, which was just as bad.
Do not try to say you didn't grief Penguin, because what you did was to block up practically all of the entrances with obsidian. I am not trying to say that what I did in retaliation was right, but do not try to feign innocence in this, we have both done as much wrong as each other when it comes to the obsidian. Your action in itself was way too far, when all I was doing was playing by the rules, whether it caused annoyance or not.
I am already sorry about being petty and breaking your redstone for a second time, at the time I had let my anger get the better of me...
I will apologise about the obsidian placed in your building, if you apologise for that which you placed in mine.
I hope after this everything will be resolved.